Swing Shift Volume 9- What About the Kids?
Posted by hubman38 on August 31, 2009
Way back when Veronica and I first solicited ideas for an advice column Topaz left a comment with the following question:
What are your thoughts on prepping children on sexual attitudes (both boys and girls), and what is the healthiest way to handle a situation if they ever were to find out anything?
Then not too long ago the wonderfully sexy Sadie wrote this post in which she wondered how she’ll deal with telling her daughter about her and her hubby’s open marriage someday, which got me thinking about Topaz’s question again.
Just as a reminder, Darling Boy just turned 9 and Princess Persistent is 3, so we haven’t gotten to the point where we have to worry about what DB is figuring out.
They know we go out a bit and often come home after they’re asleep.
Veronica: I have talked to DB about that as he had asked why we go out. I explained to him that in order to have a healthy marriage that the parents have to go out on dates and have quality alone time together. I explained that this is the same as when Hubman and I try to do special things with DB or PP individually (like the NY trip) so we can connect with them on an individual basis. Thankfully, he understood that explanation.
We have made a few minor mistakes in the past [fucking others in the living room, letting the kids meet prospective playmates before we had a secure relationship with them] but fortunately we’ve been able to learn from them without them coming back to bite us in the ass.
But someday they’re going to figure out what we’re up to. Unless we decide to stop before then, but for the sake of addressing this topic, let’s assume Veronica and I are just having way too much fun to stop…
How are we going to deal with that?
I don’t have a freakin’ clue.
Veronica: I think that the later bedtime will inhibit our hosting before DB ‘figures things out’. Right now he is asleep by 9pm most nights, which makes hosting easy. Based on talking to other couples at parties, it seems that many couples either drop out or become party people once the children turn 11 or 12 and then get back into hosting when the kids leave for college. Since there is a five and a half year age difference between the children, that means we have a long time before everyone is out of the house. So I think that in about two years we will either have to look for people that host, meet in hotels, go to parties, or seriously fall in love with the idea of sleep away camp and have a summer of fucking. I also think that if we move again, we are looking for a place with a Mother-in-law apartment that we will officially use for ‘visiting grandparents’ and the place where mommy is ‘working on her novel’, but will really become the love lounge.
I do know this. I want my kids to grow up thinking that it is perfectly normal for adults to have an active and satisfying sex life. I want my kids to understand that sex is something between people who care about each other. I want my kids to understand that it is acceptable to be attracted to a member of the same sex.
Veronica: Our kids and them having a healthy sense of sexuality comes 1st. I also don’t want them tossing the fact that we swing in our faces when we talk to them about sex and morality. In addition our kids have big mouths. Even if we told them not to talk about it, I am sure that something innocent would come up in conversation. And while those of you in the blogosphere are fine with what we do, we know that our families, co-workers, and the parents of their friends would not. Heck, Hubman and I started a family blog to protect ourselves from any comments DB might make about us blogging.
And yes, I do not want my kids having casual sex as teenagers, even though that is exactly what Veronica and I do as adults.
Veronica: And that is the difference. We are adults. We are mature enough to handle the emotional implications of what we do. I think our discussions of sex will be the same as our discussions of drinking, that it is a privilege and not a right that you must be responsible enough to enjoy. I don’t expect our children to make it to the altar as virgins. Heck, my own mother who did wait until the wedding night that told me it was a TERRIBLE idea. Personally I will be happy if they make it out of High School without having sex (mostly because if they are not living at home, I can pretend its not happening). I really think that the best thing that Hubman and I can do is explain why they should treat their bodies respectfully and only share their sexuality with people who appreciate them, care about them deeply and treat them and their bodies with respect.
So I don’t know if this comes anywhere close to answering Topaz’s question. But that’s how we see things now. Ask us again in 2 years and our answer may be completely different.
To turn the tables, for our swinging or open relationship friends with teenage kids, did you tell your kids about your lifestyle choice, hide it from them, or deal with it if/when they figured something out? I’m curious…
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Dharma said
I mentioned in a comment on Veronica’s blog that Greg and I had our first real meeting with a couple in the “lifestyle” just last night (Saturday). We arrived at their house for a bbq, knowing they were going to have friends over (not swingers), too, but it was a first-time meeting-type thing, so we were okay with that.
We were fine with that until we arrived to find 8 children, all but one under the age of 5. It was after 9 p.m. All of the parents were obliterated drunk, all of the kids were tired and cranky and completely unattended. I spent the first hour (at least, possibly 2)sitting inside with these babies I didn’t even know because I simply could not walk out the door and leave them all in there alone.
In other words? Nightmare.
Greg and I have decided that we will not be making any first meetings at anyone’s home. That’s one of our rules. We didn’t know it yesterday, but we know it today. Definitely one of our rules.
Suburban Hotwife said
I also think that if we move again, we are looking for a place with a Mother-in-law apartment that we will officially use for ‘visiting grandparents’ and the place where mommy is ‘working on her novel’, but will really become the love lounge.
The love lounge – I LOVE that idea!!
Topaz said
This does provide some great information for me. While my stepdaughter is coming upon the age of ‘those’ questions, and getting closer to that age where boys will be the topic of conversation amongst her friends, I have to consider how to field this. Veronica, when you discussed ‘respecting their bodies’, ‘appreciation’, and ‘sex as a privilege, not a right’ are all the base of what I would want to teach. Even though my marital relationship is quite tame, the question (and your answer) relates to all parents – especially when the sex is anything more than the ‘simple intercourse’ they first understand.
Thank you both for addressing this! As always, you make Swing Shift an enjoyable read.
Emmy said
I guess the thing that I hold onto is that regardless of how healthy your approach to sexuality is – at a certain age (12-13) the idea that mom and dad have sex is just going to freak them out. I think it is part of the hormonal overload they go through. Overly chatty kids aside (we have two ourselves), I doubt they will even want to believe their parents “do it” on a regular basis let alone want to learn that they “do it” with other couples.
The hosting thing would definitely be a challenge. I like the “love lounge” idea.
rb83 said
“…I will be happy if they make it out of High School without having sex…”
Good Luck with that…
I’ve told my oldest that making mistakes is part of growing up – what I don’t want is her to make a life-altering mistake. Teen pregnancy DEFINATELY falls in that category. Birth control is something to consider once it becomes apparent that a mistake might be made…
sexie sadie said
I don’t know what the answer is. I am just going to take it all as it comes, and educate her to the best of my ability. I think we’ll discuss the basics of sex first before the idea of multiple partners comes into play.
Since we are slipping into the feelings/poyamorous area with our open marriage, i decided to tell my daughter the other night about alternative families. We have discussed before blended families and gay families, but the other night I threw in poly families (although I left out that term for now) and told her that some people have many parents, maybe 2 moms and 2 dads. She didn’t bat an eyelash
Good luck, it looks like many of us will be approaching the time to discuss this with our kids at the same time.
xo~Sadie
Grace said
Very interesting post. We always go somewhere else. Always. Our kids are too big and too smart. Darn it!! We did know people who were very, very, did I say VERY? open with their kids about what they were up to. Their kids were not at all happy about it. I think healthy sex education (mom & dad need privacy, because we have a happy sex life) and caution to prevent the kids finding out are your best bets. Of course, I am one
online-window-left-open away from being discovered myself, but we do try our hardest to avoid it. Good luck to all of us on this subject!! My best friend knows a family with three dads, and her kids just call them uncle so-and-so without any astonishment at all.
Roxy and C said
Not sure it is relevant for our kids to know what we do – ever! Our daughter is 6.5 and yes – she asks where we go some evenings. All she needs to know is that Mommy and Daddy love each other, love her (and her brother) and are part of a happy family unit. Roxy and I choose to swing once in a while and for me, that is really only for us (and our partners) to know about.
I want my kids to be brought up knowing they can come to me with anything – good or bad. I am not sure how knowing about our lifestyle choice would contribute to that. Does it make me a hypocrite for not telling them one day? I don’t think so – it is really irrelevant in my opinion.
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