Definitions
Posted by hubman38 on March 11, 2009
I originally started this post about 2 weeks ago and it’s been sitting unfinished since then. But then yesterdays TMI Tuesday question “Do you consider online cybering adultery?” and the varying responses I saw around the blogosphere inspired me to finish this post.
One comment in particular caught my attention. The lovely Ms. Inconspicuous wrote:
Though this varies somewhat by culture, and, actually, “adultery” does not, by definition, always distinguish between unsanctioned and sanctioned sex. You can still be an adulterer by definition even if your spouse gives you full, total, knowing consent to have sex with another.
But I’m not an adulterer! Veronica and I are swingers, dammit! That’s different!
So this brought me back to my original draft about the various terms that those of us who have sex with someone other than our spouse use to describe ourselves.
What do you think when you hear:
Swinger?
Open Marriage?
Hotwife?
Are they all the same thing?
Sadie seems to think so, based on her comment on my Adultery post, which is what originally got me thinking about this topic. She commented that “Well, you say on one hand that you don’t have an open marriage, and that you and V play only “together”, yet, you’d hook up with Swingerwife or SoVix alone? That sounds pretty darn open, Hubman!”.
If you ask me what Veronica and I are, I would answer swingers.
Why? Because we have sex with others, but only participate in those adventures together. Sometimes in the same room, on the same bed even, definitely in the same place and at the same time.
[The part about SW or SoVix is due to geography. Neither of them live near us. If I happen to travel for work and could see either of them, Veronica would be OK with my reconnecting with them. But that's an exception to our rule, in large part because she knows and trusts them.]
Let’s check what the Urban Dictionary says [I’m a geek, I check reference sources…]
Swinger: A married person who enjoys swapping spouses with another married couple.
Sounds like us!
So why not an “open marriage”?
To me, an open marriage is one in which both halves of a couple are free to seek out other partners, on their own. As swingers, we do the same, but together, so that definition doesn’t seem right to me.
Back to the Urban Dictionary!
Open marriage: When a married couple decides to open their marriage, hence permitting the other partner to engage in sexual relations or emotional relations with additional partners, male or female. Usually the married couple is considered the “Primary Couple”. Sometimes having an open marriage includes having group sex with other married couples. Open marriages always try to base their relationship on complete honesty and mutual respect. Open marriages are hard work and both partners must feel comfortable with the situation for it to able to work. Both partners involved in the primary relationship must be very mature and able to control jealousy.
Wow, that is pretty damn accurate! I really like the parts about honesty, mutual respect, controlling jealousy and the hard work that such an arrangement requires. Maybe I was wrong and we do have an open marriage.
And what about Hotwife?
I think of a couple where one half is free to go fuck others and the spouse does not seek other partners; rather he or she is aroused by the idea of their partner out and having sex with someone else.
Hotwife: A married woman who has the feedom in her marriage to pursue sexual relationships with men other than her husband. Her husband has full knowledge of her activities and consents to them.
That’s kind of vague to me and doesn’t seem much different than the others. Though it could apply to us, since I’m cool with Veronica seeing Sarah without me. Of course I prefer to be there…
But you know what? I don’t care what you label me with, if anything.
I’m Hubman, my wife is Veronica, and we’re swingers.
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The Urban Dictionary is similar to Wikipedia in that anyone can add or edit entries. Which can result in some interesting entries, such as this alternative definition for ‘open marriage’:
A total oxymoron and falacy. An act of sexual immorality between a married couple. When a married couple, due to their sexual deviancy, agrees to have multiple sex partners, i.e. a married couple agrees to cheat on each other. This is totally stupid and oxymoronic because the word marriage suggests monogamy. Thats why a couple gets married. If they do not want to practice monogamy and commitment, then why get married? I don’t feel as though ANY marriage can surivive as an open marriage.
To this contributor I paraphrase Adrian Cronauer: “Sir, you are in more dire need of a blowjob then any man in history!”
Anothersuburbanmom said
Thank you for setting us all straight!
Hubman: You’re anything but straight, my love!
NY Diva said
I know that Urban Dictionary might not be held to the same standards as a print dictionary, but regarding that last entry: since when is ‘I’ an acceptable part of a dictionary entry?
Hubman: I noticed that as well!
C said
I’ve been wondering about this terminology for a while now. Thanks for posting this. By your definitions then, I guess we’re not swingers after all. What would you call a couple that invites a woman to their bed for a threesome, and intends to watch another couple, and have them watch us, but not swap? Voyeurs/Exhibitionists that do threesomes? lol – Is there some name by which folks in the swinger scene would refer to us? Other than vanilla.
hehe
Hubman: You are whatever you think you are! 3somes are definitely NOT vanilla, imho…
Dana said
Ha! What a coincidence! What did I post about today? Infidelity. Must be something in the air …
Hubman: I’d say spring is in the air, but it’s cold and rainy here
Off to read your post…
Jormengrund said
Heh.. Heh.. Heh..
Veronica said “straight”
Forgive the Beavis and Butthead reaction, but I just can’t help it, really..
Great post Hubman. Plenty of good points.
I have to admit, though. Quite a bit of this is over semantics. Swinging is part of having an open marriage, but it’s a bit more restrained. Just as the Hotwife is a bit more of a restriction on a swinging idea.
From Hotwife, to swinging, to an open marriage the rules are a bit more lax..
Just my opinion of course, but that’s what I’m seeing. I haven’t been there, but heck, if it looks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, there’s a darn good chance that it’s NOT going to be a goose, you know?
Hubman: No apology needed for any B&B references here!
You’re entirely correct about over-semantics. I just wanted to throw my thoughts out there and see what people had to say. As I said to C, whatever term works for you. Veronica and I consider ourselves swingers, though I would not argue with someone who feels that another term is more appropriate.
Vixen said
I agree they are all similar but very different. And while swinging can overlap with having an open marriage or a ‘hotwife’ (I detest that prase, lol….gah), I don’t think having an open marriage overlaps with swinging. Does that make sense?
Interesting break down of definitions
Hubman: Yes, your comment does make sense.
Angel said
Great post!
Now if only I could get the hubby to agree to any of the above, I would be in good shape!
Hubman: Thanks for the compliment! That’s the challenge, isn’t it? Getting your partner to agree to non-conventional desires.
Mary said
I think that despite the technical definition of adultery, infidelity has nothing to do with monogamy. Cheating is essentially any breech of trust in a committed relationship that involves bringing in a third party to meet your physical or emotional needs without the knowledge and consent of your supposed partner.
Monogamy, swinging, hotwifing, open marriage, or any other consentual agreements can be defined however the people involved in a relationship want.
Despite the beliefs in the final definition that you posted, I don’t think monogamy and commitment are necessarily synonymous, and I’m not convinced that the word marriage suggests monogamy. I wonder if these beliefs of mine are enough to make the writer of that definition lump me into the ‘sexually deviant’ category even though I do choose monogamy for myself.
Hubman: I think your second point neatly summarizes what I tried to convey in this post.
Kimberly said
I think the definitions you used (with the exception of the last one) are right on and provide a helpful illumination.
What I was struck by though when I was reading it is how much we feel the need to label and define our sexuality – and how much the person that wrote the last definition needs to define the sexuality of others through their own lens. It makes sense that in a society like ours, where monogamy is the norm we would need to define our relationships, but I still always find the ways we conceptualize sexuality very interesting. I wonder if we did not equate monogamy with exclusive sexual ownership if we would need those terms and if we would all be so sex obsessed.
This is what I like about your blog: sometimes it makes me horny and sometimes it makes me think.
Hubman: Why thank you for the nice compliment! I’m glad that I can do both for you
And thanks for the comment, as well.
ms.inconspicuous said
Nope, you’re still an adulterer.
Language and cultural law is antiquated that way.
If it makes you feel better, in some cultures, only the woman can ever be considered an adulterer–single or married–if she’s with a married man. In others, it’s not adultery for the married man if he is with a single woman, but it is if he’s with a married woman.
Hey, don’t feel bad. Sodomy is still illegal in some areas, and we all know about that little deviation of yours.
Hubman: If you insist!
Hey now… In some states sodomy is defined as oral OR anal intercourse, so quite of few of us are in violation. And look who is talking about deviation Ms. “The road less traveled”!
ms.inconspicuous said
Dude. I’m definitely not saying that I’m above illegality, here. Just teasing.
Hubman: Oh, I know you were teasing! But I couldn’t resist the comment anyway!
sexie sadie said
This is definitely all about semantics. Basically an Open Marriage is a blanket term encompassing an entire spectrum of variances… swinging and hotwifing being two of those.
This gets discussed ALOT in the open marriage group I am involved with and most people have boiled it down to “All Swingers are in an Open Marriage, but Not all People in Open Marriages are Swingers”….
As far as the definition of adultery, it seems that Miss Inconspicuous is correct. We must all be going straight to hell!
xo~Sadie
Hubman: “All Swingers are in an Open Marriage, but Not all People in Open Marriages are Swingers” Very well said!
As I often to say to Veronica when she comments that I’m going to hell, “See you there!” lol…
Riff Dog said
I would say you’re swingers as well.
I think Open Marriage is more of a situation where you each get into more separate extracurricular activities.
And Hotwife is totally different. That’s where a woman finds other men (generally more alpha than the husband, that’s part of the fantasy) to fuck because it’s a turn on for both her and her husband to think about these alpha males fucking her. The husband does not join in (except solo with his wife after she comes home.) I may not have this exactly right, but that’s the general gist of it. Doesn’t sound like your situation.
But whatever the technical name for your situation, consider me envious!
Hubman: You and I are on exactly the same page, my good man! You’re envious of me? I’m flattered…
Jobthingy said
great post hun..
and i think the person that posted the alternate def for open marriage is one that thought he/she could handle an open relatioship to find out she/he could not OR is a persont hat is so freakishly jealous that the thought makes her/him want to vomit.
i know people like that, personally. and its just something i know they would write.
Hubman: I think you might be right!
southerngirl said
I think maybe you have an honesty there that most couples dream of…can not imagine. Good for you both. Love and be loved!!!
Hubman: Veronica and I are very lucky in that regard!
maara7 said
Great Post.
Thanks
Just Go on.
Kiss
Maara